AH also forgot what is probably the most important from a privacy/information-security perspective:
- impossible to use without a *phone-number*!
Now the true objective of all these political choices (strong identifier + centralization + control of the distribution, etc) becomes clear: there is a financial interest to keep the users captive, to get rich with ponzi-crypto....
... well done, Moxie, many of us didn't see it coming! :)
@jz Thanks to /e/ OS really everybody can use it without using Google's ifrastructure. I use it everyday - degoogled :)
Are you sure you also got rid of:
* firebase-messaging for push notifications
* play-services-maps for maps and sharing location
* play-services-auth for performing reCaptcha checks during signup
* firebase-ml-vision for face detection for the ‘Scribbles’ feature (?)"
As all these proprietary Google libraries seem to be included in #Signal...
@jz No, you are absolutely right! Thanks for the interesting link with the discussion.
In fact I really dislike the fact, that Signal is just available in the PlayStore or on the website as apk and not e.g. on F-Droid.
Nevertheless I used Riot / Elements a lot with a group chat and with encryption there it's unfortunately a mess - people who are not into IT are just lost.
Nice, thanks for the information! Since /e/ is Goole Play service free I guess that these services won't load then :)
At least location sharing in Signal is working on /e/ (never used it, just tested it for this post) - but I believe it's because of installed MicroG
@jz I didn't notice any issues with Signal. Push notifications are working and everything works just as it should (or as it worked on my old, "normal" Android device) - but withoug Google Play Services or Google Apps.
It might just be because of MicroG, I'm not really into the details and didn't want to take care of - that's why I just use /e/.
@jz As I said, Signal is of couse not perfect - but IMHO the best messenger at the moment. Name me any other alternative that my mother can install and use, that is free (as in freedom), end to end encrypted and can make encrypted video calls and I will switch.
But at least I didn't find such a messenger yet. Closest is riot, but as I said, with E2E it's a nightmare to use for an average user.
@jz Here is a direct link: https://updates.signal.org/android/Signal-Android-website-prod-universal-release-5.5.5.apk
@wire sure, thank you. but see? even that has to go through google's tracking? that's really annoying to me and not so much the sign of a company that has people's privacy at heart...
@jz I didn't find any references to google trackers except the google play image which tries to set cookies on me, but Firefox blocks this attempt.
I found something more interesting:
It shows a message "SignalCounter tracking is now DISABLED in this browser until https://signal.org/#toggle-signalcounter is loaded again."
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