PSA: please recommend newcomers to use chatmail servers instead of suggesting they start first with an existing classic e-mail address.
#Chatmail servers provide a dependable, fast and secure messaging experience, with instant push notifications for Google and Apple phones. No personal data needed. Delta Chat profiles with chatmail servers come closest to mainstream messaging experiences and typically "just work" also in many repressive situations with bad internet or partial blockings.
@delta@chaos.social I find it a little disconcerting that you're now actively trying to push people away from the one thing that made Delta an intriguing proposition in the first place - it's ability to do IM over existing email accounts. For self hosters like myself, this was a great selling point for not having yet-another-thing-I-need-to-maintain.
But now you're actively messaging that people should poo-pooh the idea after already making one's own secure email infrastructure a second class citizen in the app.
It sounds like you're heading down the road of making it impossible to use standard email servers at all (why support 'em if you have reasons to demote them and poo-pooh them?), and then what's the advantage of Delta over signal, matrix or xmpp?
This seems really short sighted, even though you're obviously very excited about what you've done with chatmail.
@kinetix also, we have no intention of ceasing to support classic e-mail servers. The team went through *lots of efforts* to add support for many classic e-mail providers many of which users in Europe and the US have never heart off. But we are not interested in doing excessive work for making it seemless to use eg GMail, Outlook or iCloud mail -- as we would be furthering their platform and central controls in the e-mail system. #chatmail servers allow for a much better experience.
@delta @kinetix
I'm enthusiastic Delta Chat user shamelessly promote it at every opportunity (https://mamot.fr/@matiu_bidule/113867998173062832).
Chatmail servers are great, but you lose the number-one selling point, which is decentralization. You'd need to promote the creation of hundreds and hundreds of chatmail servers to compete with existing mail providers.
Not to mention the “yet another account to create” syndrome who hit really bad those days. I have no solution but this battle is harsh, and i love your work