I love when people get out of Libre software bigotry and push for the better, allowing their peers not to be perfect.
Libre software is important, but it is a mean to free people, not an end in itself
@thibaultamartin @nextcloud @wallabag @matrix Something to consider though: to provide apps for Apple or Google for a thing, I would be required to sign a contract to get the dev environment. So there is also a real entitlement to people saying "YUNo support my OS? Bigot!". It's not bigotry for me to reject a corporate yoke.
@cathal This argument makes perfect sense and I definitely agree with you.
My whole point is about balance: sometimes, the very principle you care about can drive you away from what you meant when you adhered to it. Sometime it's worth a fight.
@thibaultamartin This is true. But even for systems where licensing and SDKs don't figure, I think there is room for both approaches: paths of compatibility, and "platform exclusives". For example, look what happened with Docker: it became so crucial to dev work, but relied utterly on Linux APIs, that Windows did the unthinkable and embedded Linux. Potentially an even bigger win for FOSS exposure than if Docker had supported Windows somehow from day 1.
@thibaultamartin @cathal When this happens (that the very principle you care about drives you away) it's just that we have found a new issue to tackle. For some it's even a matter of congruency. If I push for FOSS, why would I accept a platform that rejects it? What can be done to fix this? Some of the apps are communicarion apps so the need for building a network effect is even greater than one that isn't. Calling this bigotry is not fair.
@sl2c @thibaultamartin I looked again to confirm, this morning, and I'm pleased to report that I was mistaken: https://android-rebuilds.beuc.net/
I remembered that Replicant's SDK had been discontinued but I didn't know there was a successor. So it may be possible to develop for Android for sideloading or F-Droid without signing anything with Google or having a Google account.
Apple of course don't permit sideloading or third party stores, and I think the whole Apple homebrew thing is dead by now, so..
My issue is usually when iOS; MacOS; and Windows users want to call their reepective choices private and secure. I literally had someone recently try to argue that iOS and MacOS were a good choice for privacy and security because Apple said so. If someone wants to use non free options by all means do so but at least admit what they are and what their faults are.
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