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The next social media will hide the number of following/followers. And will make you pay a very small sum to follow someone.

No more klout-like contests. No more advertising. You will be paid because your followers find that you post quality content.

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@ploum Why couldn't we have done it this way from the beginning? Was it not technologically feasible, or were the people building the existing social media silos so lacking in imagination that they couldn't imagine charging people to follow, keeping a small cut for themselves, and giving most of the money to the people getting followed?

@starbreaker @ploum that's a high barrier to entry for extremely low value individual content. you may come to appreciate someone's presence after a while, but if i just looked at someone's last 20 posts for the first time, however good they may be, it would not convince me to open my wallet.

@gargron @starbreaker @ploum what if monthly microtransactions for following someone? you see their stuff for a month and then decide if you wanna keep following. also following is "free" if you're mutuals

@chr @ploum @starbreaker @gargron what would be the point of this i just want to follow people.

@nightpool @chr @ploum @gargron

And if you want to follow me on a platform that isn't Mastodon or my website, I just want to get paid. :)

@starbreaker @nightpool @chr @ploum check out steemit and flattr. but that shit comes wit big caveats imo

@chr @Gargron @starbreaker @ploum this sounds like a great way to cure people's social media habits :)

@anthracite @chr @Gargron @starbreaker @ploum this is all a real cool set of ideas and all but uh, I really don't see how this is actually going to fix any of the toxicity to social media as it is

if anything the possibility of being suddenly made to pay someone else money is going to encourage -more- checking on one's own followers and make it even harder to recover from conflicts with others

@Thaminga @anthracite @chr @Gargron @starbreaker @ploum Not to mention that it would effectively lock out anyone under a certain income level, and it would exploit the innate human desire for social contact to generate profit.

@LexYeen @Thaminga @anthracite @chr @gargron @ploum

Exploitation the human need for social interaction is pretty much what capitalist social media is all about. I just wish I had thought to say to @ploum: "Congratulations. You reinvented Patreon."

Because paying to follow people is pretty much how Patreon works.

@starbreaker @LexYeen @Thaminga @anthracite @chr @Gargron @ploum Key difference between pay-to-follow and Patreon is that in the latter not everybody has to pay into the project or w/e for it to stay afloat. You just need a core of people dedicated enough to pay. Of course, this also means content creators try to encourage more than the core to pay by tauting exclusive content. They're superficially similar, but not the same.

@anthracite @chr @Gargron @starbreaker @ploum
Social media is the only way that many disabled people, myself included, get to interact with other people. It's not a habit, it's survival.

@chr @Gargron @starbreaker @ploum I like the idea of hiding follower counts, anything to cut down on that sweet, sweet dopamine rush. But I really wouldn't want to use a social media ecosystem that required payment for following people. I'd rather have people post random stuff that interests and delights them than try to optimize for popularity.

@Azure @ploum @starbreaker @Gargron @chr Worthwhile noting there's an open bug report for this, github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/ "Thoughts on not showing a followers/following number?"

For anyone interested, might be worthwhile giving the issue a thumbs-up, or otherwise contributing to it if you have the time.

@digitalfox @Azure @ploum @starbreaker @chr I don't think it's viable. Here's a couple reasons why:

It's too different from the alternatives. It will alienate those coming over from other platforms.

It's useful information for privacy purposes. You need to see who is following you, if you need to block somebody, etc

Knowing how large your audience is *is* a success metric for artists, musicians, journalists and other creators.

@Gargron @digitalfox @Azure @starbreaker @chr : yes but that metric is completely, utterly wrong. (but easy to use) Interesting read:
theatlantic.com/amp/article/55

I agree that this would be a very strong move. It means building something very very different than what exist today. It's a choice. Either Mastodon wants to be a free/decentralised replacement of Twittter or it wants to be something new.

Neither is good or bad, it's a matter of choice.

@Gargron @digitalfox @Azure @starbreaker @chr : on my personal side, I appreciate a lot being able to hide boost/favourite from my notifications. It's a lot more zen, I'm not looking after that fake metric like I'm still doing on Twitter.

@Gargron @starbreaker : even if we speak about 0.01 eurocent per follower? Meaning you would pay 0.1€ per month to follow 1000 people?

@ploum @Gargron @starbreaker

What about a package. With your monthly fee you can follow X accounts at the same time. 😂

@tuxicoman @ploum @Gargron @starbreaker Hide the followers 🤗
Show the followings 👍🏽
Make people pay to do any of the social thing in a social network 😢 => Huge turn off

@ploum @Gargron @starbreaker well at that point i’d just assume it was a scam fishing for my credit card info

@ploum Hiding the number of followers so as to discourage users from trying to gather increasingly large numbers has been discussed before, and might be a good idea.
@bob @ploum gaming psychological responses with softaware is often attempted, even sometimes with good intentions, but almost always meets with disaster

@ploum fuck this thread so much. I don't want my friendships monetized. I don't want to be paid based on how many people care about me. That's fucked up!