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Today in class, I taught my students about decentralized networks, I told them about the XMPP/Google story (see link) and ended with a demonstration of the #fediverse with Mastodon and Peertube.
They are Computer Grad students. They never heard about Mastodon.
I hope some of them will be curious enough to join and that you will warmly welcome them!
https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
@ploum Computer Grad students ? Never heard about Mastodon ?
Yes, warmly. 
OK, just kidding 
pour info, an excellent paper explaining why bluesky is not federated:
@FrankauLux : In the current form, I consider that Bluesky is decentralized like Telegram is encrypted : this is a marketing gimmick.
Wrote this nearly two years ago : https://ploum.net/2023-03-03-bluesky.html
@ploum Google did a similar thing to Usenet. They ostensibly created Google Groups to be the world's most complete Usenet archive. Then they bolted on their own proprietary discussion group system, so it wasn't clear which groups were part of Usenet and which were just part of Google. Search degraded, with functionality going missing and some articles apparently becoming entirely impossible to access. At some point they stopped adding newly-created Usenet groups to their archive...
@ploum ...meaning that those groups might as well not have existed to GG users. Spammers ran wild, flooding other people's Usenet servers with spam from throwaway Google accounts, until there were serious proposals for a coordinated block of any posts originating from Google. Finally, in Feb 2024, Google Groups announced they were depeering from Usenet: no new Usenet posts would be archived, and nobody would be able to post to Usenet from GG.
@ploum With *astonishing* chutzpah, one reason they gave for this was that Usenet had too much spam.
It's hard to interpret this sequence of events as anything but an "embrace, extend, extinguish" strategy, or at the very least an appalling disregard for the very concept of being a competently-run, responsible part of the global Internet.
If Google turns up on the Fediverse, their past form shows that it would be very unwise to believe they're participating in good faith.
@raynerlucas : I didn’t know it was done for Usenet but, as you describe it, this is exactly the same story all over again.
@ploum I suppose they only know about IRC (judging from my knowledge as a Computer Grad student "some" years ago). 
@ploum I have a sense that the worst thing to ever happen to the CS field is the perception that it's a way to get rich. Fewer people in the field are true nerdy souls. (And I see less and less dedication to coding as a craft).
@14mission : the problem is that the code is now a dedicated activity happening in a VScode window exactly like writing a text is happening into a Word windows.
There’s no intuition, no connection to what the computer really is.
@ploum To be fair
I only learned about Linux as a uni student because one of my friends was into it.
@ploum in 2021 I presented activity pub to grad students of science po, no one knew about it neither. I had a few questions of interests but it didn't seem to attract them much.
I guess I could re-work my presentation : https://paulrbr.gitlab.io/talks/collaborative-culture-in-a-digital-world.html
@ploum Wow... so the big companies are even worse than we thought and want to hide their intentions... just like fascists... who could have predicted *rolleyes*