"Declines in fertility and marriage rates can be taken not just as indications that something may be wrong with the economy or housing policy or college debt, but as problems in themselves."

@mpjgregoire I think conservatives have a larger issue affecting all of these things.

What are you trying to conserve?

the nuclear family?

the economy?

the environment?



You can't conserve the traditional family without reverting to a more traditional economy and perhaps patriarchy as well. Is that worth it? The article weighs addressing the issue of declining rates of marriage and reproduction directly vs indirectly but seems to take it as a given that some level of childlessness and non-marriage is somehow unacceptable.

but WHY?

Why not just accept the trend and adapt to its effects in other ways?

@msh I've thought of a few different way to reply to your comments: personal views, personal experience, high-level, etc. I'm not sure, maybe the way most likely to convince you there is a problem is this:

"[T]he gap between the number of children women say they want to have (2.7) and the number they will probably actually have (1.8) has risen to the highest level in 40 years."

In this major aspect of life, women are not achieving what they want. Why?

@mpjgregoire well... considering my question...

Perhaps today's conservatives aren't conserving the right things

The article you shared presented a debate between those who figured addressing things like general affordability would enable people to decide for themselves vs. ..I guess...those who favoured a more direct approach encouraging women to start their families earlier.

But maybe it is ok if women don't want as many children too? Maybe they "want" more kids because their spouses or parents or others want that many? I don't know.

But also it seems evident that today's conservatives are bery much business conservatives and that their policies are hostile to young families. Such conservatives resist addressing severe downward pressure on wages for decades along with massive increase in housing costs, yet also resist assisting with childcare, guaranteeing parental leave, addressing gender pay gaps etc.

Basically, supporting young families has come to be seen as "socialist".

@mpjgregoire You actually posted an article that argues for women to not get educated, not pursuit carrers, and instead serve as child-pumping machines and stay at home to do unpaid labor and unpaid child care.

In 2021.


@jec If you find the sort of cultural/political article I post not "wrong, but interesting" but "revolting", then why did you choose to follow me? I'm genuinely curious. Feel free to DM if you like.

@jec Of course you're welcome to follow this account, and you're free to reply to my posts if you wish. But I'll probably post links to articles you'll find much more objectionable than the one today.

@mpjgregoire Because I clearly made a mistake and didn't scan your profile carefully and thoroughly when choosing to add you as a contact.

@jec Well, I hope you find many other contacts more to your liking. Best wishes.

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