“Free users for sure we don’t want to give that [end-to-end encryption] because we also want to work together with FBI, with local law enforcement in case some people use Zoom for a bad purpose” - Eric Yuan, CEO.
@elpanzer Ça me paraît quand même compliqué avec les alternatives pour le moment... Jitsi à trop ça fonctionne pas, BBB y a peu d'instances.
T'as une solution à proposer pour les non initiés?
Pléthore d'instances #jitsimeet disponibles ici:
@elpanzer Mais pour faire des cours / réunions à genre 10, Jitsi c'est vraiment problématique apparemment.
@elpanzer Merci de l'info, je la partage aux personnes qui pourraient en avoir besoin.
@elpanzer Does that mean that people who pay use zoom for a good purpose?
Depends from which / whose perspective.
@elpanzer @schnittchen Please stop spreading FUD and get your facts straight: https://twitter.com/alexstamos/status/1268061790954385408
Wow. Keep your cool mate, I thought I was on Twitter for a second... Shall we talk about Zoom's servers located 'by mistake' in Mainland China? That ain't FUD.
"Zoom admits some calls were routed through China by mistake" - https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/03/zoom-calls-routed-china/
@elpanzer @schnittchen So? I have 1600+ colleagues working for our clients, in- & outside of China. Should I no longer have conference calls with them, in acceptable quality & with reasonable latency?
Additionally, Zoom has since added features to both, their backend & frontend, to clear differentiate between calls involving relay servers located in China or elsewhere ..
They have acknowledged their mistakes, they've stood up a reasonable roadmap, yet people continue to vilify them.
@elpanzer @schnittchen If you want a more reasoned approach to this, here it is: https://orangecyberdefense.com/global/blog/covid-19/video-killed-the-conferencing-star/
Literally everyone is doing the same thing as Zoom does (with a few notable exceptions that have been publicly acknowledged and Zoom even bought a whole company for (!) to resolve them), some of the players are even worse, and Zoom is a reasonable choice given the parameters some folks have ..
Is it the best choice for everyone? No. But what product is?
If any of the other options (and that includes open source solutions) were offering up the same level of quality it wouldn't have played out the way it did ..
Sometimes folks have different priorities. And sometimes those are simply "I need to be able to talk to my grandparents, easily, with a good quality and an interface they understand" and not care about stuff like E2EE or whether or not somebody in China is potentially listening in on your calls ..
We're cool @moritzheiber, no worries.
You might be familiar about Mainland China and their offensive capabilities in tech. I'm just standing by my statement that a company having assets based in Mainland CN can't be trusted with my data. It's mandatory - by law - to give data access to CN authorities.
Hence E2EE is also mandatory if you don't want to be ripped off.
@moritzheiber he does have his facts straight. Did you read the thread you linked?
https://twitter.com/alexstamos/status/1268061799946969088?s=20 in particular, but Stamos also talks about the law enforcement angle
@elpanzer Wow.... Yeah, fuck zoom.
Looks like I need to take w/ some care professionals about using another interface. Fuck.
@elpanzer @sir It’s interesting to compare this to https://twitter.com/alexstamos/status/1268061790954385408.
There’s a bunch of “one hand doesn’t talk to the other and then they both throw the third hand under the bus” Ive seen happening inside Zoom as well. Feels like this is more of that.
@jeff "Embrace, extend & extinguish"?
I deleted my Keybase account the day Zoom took them over. (Fortunately) I never had my private key uploaded on Keybase - as some did or had KB running locally.
Keybase could have communicated they were about to be sold off. Nope, they caught everyone hands down.
(All this was probably in the ToS).
So, basically, if you pay you're okay; if you don't, you're classified as a possible criminal. That's not cool.
@Horizon_Innovations Yep, that's pretty much what Zoom's CEO says: "(if you don't pay) you can run but you can't hide".
@elpanzer more of the insinuation that if you don't pay (not want or can't, financial or principle) then you you are highly likely to be a criminal and open to the investigations of the authorities. It's a broad brush slap in the face!
@elpanzer I made this:
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