@rmdes well ... what I can say concerning the fablabs, is that this structure came over to help Citydev that has started to fund out-of-the-ground fablabs, ignoring the actual existing grassroot ones, to fill them up with something that could have a face ...and that has not helped the grassroot ones at all
I have not met that team (CIN) but it looks like they are playing a bit the cool-trendy-agency that "patch" the flaw of a ridicule system (which by experience I know is very broken in bxl...)
@Olm_e ps : I don't think CIN ignored the existing fablabs, what enfolded is more: the institutions copied or even stole attention from existing places and re-branded themselves as if they were at the origins of this type of things in Brussels. CIN was merely trying an approach that is usually rejected in Brussels in my experience : talk to state/regional actors and try something.
@rmdes mm ... ok but : it's the usual business here : some group is (genuinely?payed?) making the buffer with some illusion to change things and either help the institution/authority by washing their deed, or get screwed/put aside ...( or both)
I have seen this 10³ times ... the fact they claim succes is a bit deceptive...:/
there need to have some change at the political level for this to become real, nowadays the spirit/process is totaly skewed between corruption and small talk business...
@rmdes I understand and I have also been in/seen that situation where it's difficult to differentiate.
I would just hope we got less "naive" and more organised/informed to have more collective leverage
the tale that people don't talk together is deceptive, and I was a bit upset about that : there is really a tissue of people and organisation that just needs to get together somehow, passing above this institution level...
(and I could talk about so many networks...)
@Olm_e to me it's simple, I have accepted that at scale (not talking about day to day manifestation of networks working together to sustain themselves and allow other possibilities) so at scale, if we want to change things, we have to take power. Look at Barcelona : they did not changed the housing policy of the whole city before putting Ada Colau as mayor. she was the co-founder of LaPAH (very grassroots movement against eviction, preceding 15M/indignados/occupy) before 2011 this group already
@Olm_e had blocked thousands if not hundreds of thousands of evictions and had a network of network to relocate families and occupy empty buildings etc.. but when things really changed is when citizens created Barcelona en Comu and took the city. That's when the culture changed completely. even though BarcelonaEnComu was a minority party, by doing an alliance with a pre existing party, they managed to govern and pivot things for good.
@Olm_e That's when it was possible to scale change and make it so for a whole city, not just a neighbourhood or an invisible alternative sustainable network, for the whole city. I miss this in Brussels. (thinking WeBrussels initiative wants to do exactly that) but the barriers to entry in this country is huge, huge. so much that the only way might be to jump over it altogether. #municipalism we won't scale our efforts if we don't take cities or villages/communes first. my 2 cens :)
@rmdes I see catalonia and barcelona with great warm, but indeed, it's not close to the same environment in brussels ... I fear this is the eye of the cyclone, and it will unlock at the end of the storm only ... (so I'm a bit excentered now ;p )
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