Apparently, the uptake of Microsoft's "Windows Linux Subsystem" is miniscule despite it being blared from all MS PR speakers at full volume. Smart technologists realise that enclosing Linux within Windows is a stage in Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. Locking the magnificent eagle, symbol of freedom, into a dingy little cage... is not a compelling proposition. Just drop Windows and use Linux. Only a fool puts on the shackles voluntarily.



I partially disagree. My own theory, concocted about 12 years ago is that in 20–25 years would simply be a compatibility layer running on a kernel. We're about half way there now.

Plus, I got a drunken mate to agree with it once (don't believe anyone telling you he was just trying to change the subject).

@0 problem is that keeping Windows in the mix perpetuates the fundamental brokenness of proprietary software. Proprietary software, like censorship, is a fundamental bug the world should be routing around, not incorporating into the mix.

@0 I think proprietary software should be outlawed. My reasons: I think the argument is unassailable, but I'd like to hear an example of a "legitimate reason"...

@0 and yes, data silos are the new lock-in, but they need to be accompanied by proprietary software to achieve full lock-in (e.g. MSFT's AD or Sharepoint or O365)... otherwise people with access to the data can just move it to a different place.

@0 I don't think its a simplification. I strongly believe that incentives eventually lead to behaviours and then to culture. I think proprietary software culture is inherently broken and bad for the market it claims to serve. To me this is the cause, not the symptom.

@0 The way I'd implement it is this: Gov'ts would change procurement policy (e.g. in line with the Digital Nations Charter - - note points 2-5) to which many (including mine) are signatories saying: "we will only procure software which demonstrably complies with open standards and if we (i.e. the taxpayer) pay for development, it will be released under a Copyleft license. I believe that would fundamentally shift software development with few unintended consequences.

@0 I dunno - with this example, you're only thinking about the developer's perspective, not the perspective of the user of the tool. I'd say that if everyone was on a level playing field, e.g. where gov'ts around the world mandated that all software was open source with a copyleft license, there'd still be plenty of innovation. Companies would just need to get used to lower profit margins for software (and folks would have to search for some other field to rort the market).

@0 We used to have a similar arrangement - I've been using these terms of engagement for the past 15ish years:

@0 Copyright and patents are totally fictitious rights invented by publishers and states. They're not natural rights.

@0 well, to be fair, open source (or, more correctly, Free Software), was a hack of the broken copyright system designed to use the law to achieve the opposite effect. And no, I think it's possible to say that natural property rights are far less fictitious, because they involve real, tangible things like tools and land. And I would dispute that our IP system has been of significant benefit. In other societies which didn't have them, tremendous innovation has also taken place...

@0 @lightweight i cherish the same views, seeing as windows is the leading platform for gaming. Once you can have an easy way of virtualizing from linux, or better yet drop the directx shackles, there is no more reason for me to use windows

@lefarfadet @0 @lightweight I remember a time when AmigaOS, Atari TOS, and DOS were "gaming platforms," and Windows was only used by "serious" applications.

Today, more and more productivity apps are coming to Linux, and now Windows is the gaming platform of choice.

Linux still has a very long way to go yet, but it's interesting to see the role reversal on the part of Windows.

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